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Offline Andy Barrett Reading Letter for Maureen - Jonathan Hill
23 Jul 2012, 09:31 PM | Post: #1

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A 'trilogy' or...

I could use a little help if you have the time.

I have written a new book which I'm calling The Third Rule. When I finished it, it was almost 300k words long. Much too long for one single book; so I decided I would split it into three volumes.

The problem I have is that to call it a trilogy might imply it was three separate stories wrapped around a central premise, theme or character, which it isn't. I don't want to mislead people into thinking it's three separate stories.

It's the word - or the use of the word - 'trilogy' which is causing me problems. So how would you describe the collection of all three books since I'm a little wary of calling it a trilogy?

And as individual books, should I describe them as The Third Rule, Part One... or, The Third Rule, Book One... or what do you suggest?

Thanks for your help.
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23 Jul 2012, 10:22 PM | Post: #2

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RE: A 'trilogy' or...

Andy, as a reader (and this is a personal rather than general view) I'd expect a trilogy to have a common theme and to be sequential.

If you need to split a single story into three different vols. it's helpful for a reader to know that at the outset. Book One would work for me,the suggestion being that there's more to follow. Would the blurb explain how they are to be published? Would all vols be published at same time?

The point I'm making is, if you publish no 1 ( whatever you call it) can a reader buy that as a satisfactory stand alone experience? They may wish more and the choice would be whether to buy all 3 in one go or each as a stand alone. If a reader buys the first vol and finds, unexpectedly, that two more are needed to complete the story, they may feel cheated.

It's also important that they are read sequentially in your scenario. A reader would need to know that to avoid buying separately and reading out of order. Happy to offer a Devil's Advocate viewpoint if you want to test further.
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24 Jul 2012, 04:40 AM | Post: #3

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RE: A 'trilogy' or...

Hi Andy,
I experienced exactly the same situation with my novels, The Witchcraft Wars. It was first written as a single novel but I found, at around 240k that it was really too long for a single volume. I did a little re-writing to make it a trilogy but also make it clear up front that each novel is a part of the whole - i.e. books are labelled Book One etc

I think your blurb should give you ample opportunity to explain the format to potential readers.

Good luck and wishing you many sales Smile
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24 Jul 2012, 06:41 AM | Post: #4

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RE: A 'trilogy' or...

Or perhaps ask if it needs to be that long.

Lord of the Rings is in three parts, but each has a natural stopping point, though you don't get the whole story until each part is read. (Though Tolkein's style isn't to be recommended nowadays for modern thrillers.)
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From what I understand by cruising less friendly forums than this one Rolleyes all books in a series should be standalone stories.

Themes and threads are carried into the following books but readers get very annoyed if they feel they have been cheated by a taste of what's to come rather than a tying up of threads in the current plot.
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Offline Andy Barrett Reading Letter for Maureen - Jonathan Hill
24 Jul 2012, 09:36 AM | Post: #6

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RE: A 'trilogy' or...

(23 Jul 2012 10:22 PM)Terrafuego Wrote:  Andy, as a reader (and this is a personal rather than general view) I'd expect a trilogy to have a common theme and to be sequential.

If you need to split a single story into three different vols. it's helpful for a reader to know that at the outset. Book One would work for me,the suggestion being that there's more to follow. Would the blurb explain how they are to be published? Would all vols be published at same time?

The point I'm making is, if you publish no 1 ( whatever you call it) can a reader buy that as a satisfactory stand alone experience? They may wish more and the choice would be whether to buy all 3 in one go or each as a stand alone. If a reader buys the first vol and finds, unexpectedly, that two more are needed to complete the story, they may feel cheated.

It's also important that they are read sequentially in your scenario. A reader would need to know that to avoid buying separately and reading out of order. Happy to offer a Devil's Advocate viewpoint if you want to test further.

Some good points there, Terrafuego. This has answered one of the questions that was annoying me: to publish all three together or space them a month apart.

I think if I made it clear that it is one story across three volumes, and publish them altogether, it should work.
Offline Andy Barrett Reading Letter for Maureen - Jonathan Hill
24 Jul 2012, 09:39 AM | Post: #7

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(24 Jul 2012 04:40 AM)Trace Wrote:  Hi Andy,
I experienced exactly the same situation with my novels, The Witchcraft Wars. It was first written as a single novel but I found, at around 240k that it was really too long for a single volume. I did a little re-writing to make it a trilogy but also make it clear up front that each novel is a part of the whole - i.e. books are labelled Book One etc

I think your blurb should give you ample opportunity to explain the format to potential readers.

Good luck and wishing you many sales Smile

Thank you, Trace.

I'm not sure this one is capable of being re-written to make it a genuine trilogy; but I like your idea of being up front with readers and telling them each book is part of the whole.

Hope The Witchcraft Wars is doing well for you.
Offline Andy Barrett Reading Letter for Maureen - Jonathan Hill
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(24 Jul 2012 06:41 AM)LindaGruchy Wrote:  Or perhaps ask if it needs to be that long.

Lord of the Rings is in three parts, but each has a natural stopping point, though you don't get the whole story until each part is read. (Though Tolkein's style isn't to be recommended nowadays for modern thrillers.)

Hi Linda,

I know what you mean when you ask if it needs to be that long, but it does. I could shorten it by chopping out one of the main characters and his story, but it would detract massively from the story I'm trying to get across. I've chiselled about 30k words from it but it's still too long for one single book.

I'm quite lucky I suppose, in that each book (apart from the last, obviously) ends on a cliff-hanger and a fairly natural stopping point.
Offline Andy Barrett Reading Letter for Maureen - Jonathan Hill
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(24 Jul 2012 08:13 AM)Jennie Lee Wrote:  From what I understand by cruising less friendly forums than this one Rolleyes all books in a series should be standalone stories.

Themes and threads are carried into the following books but readers get very annoyed if they feel they have been cheated by a taste of what's to come rather than a tying up of threads in the current plot.

Hi Jenny Lee,

Yes, this a big problem, and the only remedy I can see is explaining it in the blurb. It's certainly not my intention to mislead anyone though, so the best I can do in order for readers not to feel cheated is have all three books available at the same time.

The final two books in The Dead Trilogy, Stealing Elgar and No More Tears, could easily have been combined in one book; No More Tears continues as if there was no break, using the same character in the same scene as the previous book, but Elgar wrapped up the current story perfectly. So I think it might work.

I think there will always be a conflict of opinions with this one though - it caused an argument over here last night, which is why I thought I'd ask KUF members.

Thanks everyone for your replies!
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RE: A 'trilogy' or...

Quote: I know what you mean when you ask if it needs to be that long, but it does. I could shorten it by chopping out one of the main characters and his story, but it would detract massively from the story I'm trying to get across. I've chiselled about 30k words from it but it's still too long for one single book.

I'm quite lucky I suppose, in that each book (apart from the last, obviously) ends on a cliff-hanger and a fairly natural stopping point.

You really need to make a map of structure and continuity to sustain the three books and thread that through in a way that makes it possible to read 2 and 3 independently whilst satisfying the 'through readers'.
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