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Bookclub: The discussion of Gray Justice (contains spoilers)

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Offline Susanne Reading I Woke Up This Morning by Stuart Ayris
14 May 2012, 07:01 AM | Post: #1

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Offline Susanne Reading I Woke Up This Morning by Stuart Ayris
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RE: Bookclub: The discussion of Gray Justice (contains spoilers)

I'll make a quick start to get the discussion going.

What a book! No wonder people who had read it already were raving about it. It is an edge of your seat page turner, one of those books where you have your Kindle with you everywhere so that you can just read another couple of pages inbetween whatever else you are doing.

It has some very interesting moral dilemmas and made me think about what choices I would have made had it happened in real life. I didn't warm to Tom Gray, but I still found myself on his side, wanting him to "win". Taking the law into your own hands when the system lets you down is something that probably appeals - at least in theory - to a lot of people. Spoiler

Great book - thank you Alan. I really look forward to this discussion getting going.
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14 May 2012, 10:33 AM | Post: #3

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RE: Bookclub: The discussion of Gray Justice (contains spoilers)

I loved this book, as Susanne said it was a real page turner, so much so I finished it in one day, managing to get in trouble with my better half for not listening in the processConfused
I was really sympathetic towards Tom, I kept thinking how I would react if something happened to my kids and I don't know if I would be strong enough to try and change society or if I would just collapse in a heap. I Spoiler Still it all worked out for the best, and paved the way for a sequel, which I will be downloading as soon as my wife lets me have my kindle back Big GrinBig Grin.
All in all a fantastic book which I am really glad I read.
Offline Susanne Reading I Woke Up This Morning by Stuart Ayris
14 May 2012, 11:42 AM | Post: #4

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RE: Bookclub: The discussion of Gray Justice (contains spoilers)

Alan (McDermott) hopes to be able to join in the discussions tonight. Smile
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14 May 2012, 11:54 AM | Post: #5

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RE: Bookclub: The discussion of Gray Justice (contains spoilers)

Well, first off, I shall say that I didn't notice a single typo. I usually mark them to report back to the author, but there's a grand total of zero.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this book. You think you are on one path, then there's the introduction of a few new characters and you wonder how they fit in, then when you do find out, you're "O.M.G., I never saw that coming"

I did actually mention this book in work, when I had just gone through "day 1". His choices were a bit harsh, though - live or die. But I feel I'd like the government to read this book and have a good think about serial offenders.

Not quite the same, but there was an episode of an American law drama (think it was Harry's Law), whereby a criminal had committed 2 crimes, but had to be tried for both completely seperately and there could be no mention of the other one, which made a mockery of the victim being scared of the criminal.
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14 May 2012, 01:13 PM | Post: #6

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I started this book yesterday and became hooked straight away. It's brilliant and I am thoroughly enjoying it. From what I have read so far, I think it would make a brilliant film or TV series. Having never been in the situation Tom finds himself in, I am not sure how I would react, but at the minute I can totally see why he does what he does.

I can't wait to find some more time later on to read the few chapters of the story. Smile
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14 May 2012, 01:43 PM | Post: #7

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I read this book in two days and enjoyed it. I agree with all the other comments that you never knew where you were in the book or who you would return to in the next passage. I liked the descriptions of MI5. I also like the loyalty of Tom's friends. What they all must have been throught together. It was very believeable.

The ideas put forward in the book about repeat offenders are extremely interesting but harsh. Would it work? I for one don't know!!!!
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14 May 2012, 04:33 PM | Post: #8

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RE: Bookclub: The discussion of Gray Justice (contains spoilers)

I read it yesterday in a single session. Given the list of jobs awaiting my attention, none of which got done, Alan has a lot to answer for. At the very least, I'm expecting him to pop in tomorrow, cut the grass and plant out my runner beans.
A fast-paced, easy read that swept me along. I suspect there are plot aspects that wouldn't stand up to close scrutiny, but I was content to keep the blinkers on and gallop through to the end.
One very minor point: I'd have to disagree with joo - I spotted half-a-dozen typos, none of which spoiled my enjoyment in the slightest.
Well done, Alan. I'm looking forward to reading the sequel.
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RE: Bookclub: The discussion of Gray Justice (contains spoilers)

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This was never going to be “my genre” what with the fascination with the SAS, guns and other things that go bang which attract a wide and enthusiastic readership. Plus the obligatory final shoot out and gore fest – more Gray’s Anatomy than Gray Justice. The exceptionally brutal rape scene might find its aficionados, but not here. I have to admit that the ingenious plot twists and the pacing gave the book a tremendous sense of tension. I could live with having made a wrong book choice but for the major theme of vigilantism with fatal public vote-offs with what was really a rather pathetic bunch of petty and annoying criminal recidivists. I can’t imagine that whatever the British public might think about current UK penal policy they would take to heart someone who publicly executed a prisoner live on the internet and even more threatened countless thousands of innocent people with extermination. So the possibility of them turning out in force to demonstrate in favour of Gray is to my mind at least rather unlikely.

Initially I thought the revenge/political theme was the central plank of the book but then it became clearer that it was the resolution of the stake-out and the intervention of the terrorists/cannon-fodder. The author does however articulate well an undercurrent of anger and powerlessness over sentencing policy that is fairly often promoted in the popular prints. Sometimes this verges on the irrational and murderous, but at least Gray can be thoughtful. He worries hugely about the cost of his prison building programme but his back of envelope plans to recoup the costs from his prisoners’ “wages” seem unlikely unless they are on bankers’ salaries, which I suspect he may not approve of. Also Gray’s attempt to plea-bargain his way out of rather more serious charges such as murder, false imprisonment and terrorism rather undermines the firm consistent justice case that he seeks to alert politicians to. Unfortunately here as pretty much everywhere the debate about sentencing is conducted poorly on both sides of the argument. The question raised already in the thread of "what would we do in Gray's situation" is of course particularly interesting, but Gray seems not to have had that conversation with himself let alone with us.

So I am now getting out my now traditional tin hat though whether it will be sufficient protection against a Regiment-approved Heckler and Koch TL337 semi-automatic assault weapon with the Zeiss ‘Deadeye’ laser sniper sight, I rather doubt. (I made that last bit up.)

Tony
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RE: Bookclub: The discussion of Gray Justice (contains spoilers)

Forget about the tin hat, Tony. I'm so glad you are part of the bookclub - even if I feel just slightly inadequate in my initial review! Smile
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