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Offline Daphne Reading Wanted by Tim Arnot
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The law relating to the sale of "titles"...

This post was last modified: 11 Nov 2010 07:15 PM by Daphne.
.. meaning Lord/ Lady etc. A little browse around the internet tells me that there are plenty of people trying to sell titles, but the only ones that are genuine and legal are Feudal Scottish Baronies and the old feudal title "Lord of the Manor" - research for a short story. Anyone know anything about the sale of titles? I'm learning a lot of (useless) information in the course of getting my facts correct for short stories.
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12 Nov 2010, 03:56 AM | Post: #2

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I actually was born into an aristocratic Scottish family and am therefore legally entitled to use my title 'Lady' - however, there are an awful of scam artists out there who will sell any title up to Baron, Marquis etc and while you can use the title it remains an AKA and is NOT legal. At least that's my understanding.
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A friend once bought me a sqaure foot of land on a Scottish estate which carries a title - the theory being that anyone who owns a a part of the estate is entitled to call themselves Lord or Lady. It is perfectly legal, but not very convincing and was meant as a bit of fun. I've always meant to go and stand on my one foot square of Scottish estate - I have the grid reference! I think such gimmicks cost about twenty quid (you get a nice certificate). The same friend bought me an acre of the moon, but I'm not planning to go there.
The feudal title of Scottish Baron can be legally sold and does entitle the buyer to use that title - but the price tag for such genuine titles is usually around the million pound mark - and you would need to be careful where you bought it (if anyone fancies the idea).

I love the idea of Lady Trace.Cool
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(12 Nov 2010 03:56 AM)Trace Wrote:  I actually was born into an aristocratic Scottish family and am therefore legally entitled to use my title 'Lady' - however, there are an awful of scam artists out there who will sell any title up to Baron, Marquis etc and while you can use the title it remains an AKA and is NOT legal. At least that's my understanding.

Lady Trace! Has a certain ring to it. Wink
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(12 Nov 2010 09:45 AM)Susanne Wrote:  
(12 Nov 2010 03:56 AM)Trace Wrote:  I actually was born into an aristocratic Scottish family and am therefore legally entitled to use my title 'Lady' - however, there are an awful of scam artists out there who will sell any title up to Baron, Marquis etc and while you can use the title it remains an AKA and is NOT legal. At least that's my understanding.

Lady Trace! Has a certain ring to it. Wink

My sisters and I have always had a bit of a laugh about it but my older sister actually visited Scotland and the castle and the village and was amazed at how the local Scots were so eager to talk to a genuine Drummond - she called herself 'Lady Cynthia' for weeks afterwards Tongue
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(12 Nov 2010 12:36 PM)Trace Wrote:  My sisters and I have always had a bit of a laugh about it but my older sister actually visited Scotland and the castle and the village and was amazed at how the local Scots were so eager to talk to a genuine Drummond - she called herself 'Lady Cynthia' for weeks afterwards Tongue

I think we might possibly be (very) distantly related Smile , my great grand parents were Drummonds who lived in Crieff, (just North of Drummond Castle) . But all I know about them is that they used to own some farmland in the area

But then Drummond is a very historic / popular name in that area.

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(12 Nov 2010 12:36 PM)Trace Wrote:  My sisters and I have always had a bit of a laugh about it but my older sister actually visited Scotland and the castle and the village and was amazed at how the local Scots were so eager to talk to a genuine Drummond - she called herself 'Lady Cynthia' for weeks afterwards Tongue

The estate I grew up on on the Isle of Lewis was owned by a landowner I have never seen in person as he was an accountant (i think) in London. Apparently he was very nice though Smile

I would still call myself Lady Trace if I was you. Ooooh, and you could get one of those period costume dresses from eBay and go shopping in it Big Grin I would love to do that!!
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(12 Nov 2010 05:05 PM)cailean68 Wrote:  I think we might possibly be (very) distantly related Smile , my great grand parents were Drummonds who lived in Crieff, (just North of Drummond Castle) . But all I know about them is that they used to own some farmland in the area

But then Drummond is a very historic / popular name in that area.

We could be as the Earl of Perth, my grandfather's cousin, owns a lot of land around Drummond Castle and there are quite a few local land owners as well who are related to the family, distant cousins and things like that. My life probably would've been very different if my grandfather hadn't been a rather way-ward black sheep of the family who was a little too fond of the bottle. Tongue

I would still call myself Lady Trace if I was you. Ooooh, and you could get one of those period costume dresses from eBay and go shopping in it I would love to do that!!

I'm tempted at times because I am rather proud of my heritage, in fact both my Bachelor's Degrees have Lady Tracey Alley on them because it has to be your full legal name in QLD, but it feels a little silly living in the suburbs of Brisbane - now if I could just get the castle back Thumbs Up
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This post was last modified: 13 Nov 2010 10:58 AM by Daphne.
I always thought it a pity that a woman who earns a title herself will be Dame - which sounds so old. The only other alternative is to become a life peer (and enter the House of Lords) - Baroness (Lady) Thatcher. Of course you could marry a man with a title, but then you are never "Lady Daphne", but only, Lady Something-Or-Another.
A woman could also buy the title - Lady of the Manor (which is absolutely legally valid), then they would be - Daphne, Lady of the Manor of Wherever.
The whole system of English titles is charming and fascinating but entirely antiquated.

Re: The Castle - Trace; first you write the books, then you earn the money, then you buy the castle! You are on your way...Thumbs Up
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I never thought of that Daphne, now if I can only sell about a squillion books I can buy it back and move to Scotland permanently and be as eccentric a writer as Lord Byron. Totally cool idea Tongue

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