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Offline copenhagen Reading Der nye chinesisre Saadespil
02 Dec 2010, 01:03 PM | Post: #21

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I have been a bit remiss in not congratulating daisyduck1976 for all that effort in fighting agency pricing, a magnificent example to us all -much admired and well done !!

I have just received the following from my MP:-

Dear ...,
Thank you for your email with regard to eBooks pricing on Amazon.

I note the points you make and I notice that this seems to be similar on other leading eBook stores, for example both of Stephen Fry's latest books sell on both the Amazon eBook store and Apple's iBook store for £12.99, (The Fry Chronicles) and £5.99 (Mrs Fry's Diary) while the print versions retail for £9.50 and £5.49 on Amazon. I have now written to the Chief Executive of the Office of Fair Trading and I will be in touch again once I have received a response.

Please do not hesitate to contact me however if you have any further questions on this or any other issue.

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Offline Rolyan
09 Dec 2010, 01:13 PM | Post: #22

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This post was last modified: 09 Dec 2010 01:15 PM by Rolyan.
(04 Nov 2010 10:38 AM)tangramman Wrote:  Due to price fixing by the publisher I am unable to buy and read this book in the format of my choice.

You are not unable to buy the book, you are unwilling. That is important, as it tells you the solution. You don't need a facebook campaign, you don't need letters, you do't even need this forum. Everyone simply needs to stop buying the books they think are too expensive.
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09 Dec 2010, 02:57 PM | Post: #23

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[/quote] You are not unable to buy the book, you are unwilling. That is important, as it tells you the solution. You don't need a facebook campaign, you don't need letters, you do't even need this forum. Everyone simply needs to stop buying the books they think are too expensive.
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I tend to disagree.

Firstly, the agency model of price fixing is deliberately designed to fix the market, it is anti-market, it is an absolute refusal to let the market decide, and, therefore, it follows that market forces will be ineffective. Campaigners would be delighted if your suggestion – let market forces decide – were actually to be allowed.
Secondly, it is argued that the book market is not immune from the law of the land – it is illegal for cartels to fix prices for cars, holidays or computers: they are deemed to be against the public interest and that is why all governments legislate against them. The agency model cannot be allowed to stand simply as a matter of principle (which is why one arm of the campaign lies in approaching MPs, MEPS, Government Depts. etc. arguing an illegal price fixing agreement is being smuggled in under the disguise of this model).
Finally, and crucially, campaigners are saying that market forces (the 'refusal to buy') will simply not deliver the message effectively – publishers may comfort themselves with the notion that sales are lower because of (say) the recession, or customer taste. The intention here is a direct and forceful notice that sales are being lost precisely because of their application of the agency model. This has the additional advantage of applying pressure by generating bad PR that they are 'ripping off' the public.

I am not arguing here whether the 'agency model' is right or wrong ('tho' you might guess where my sympathies lie !) - I am suggesting that the campaigners have good and proper tactics.
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09 Dec 2010, 07:44 PM | Post: #24

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I agree major publishers really need to get on board with ebook pricing. But I'm not sure it's fair to target authors. Unless authors are with smaller publishers -- or they own the rights to the book -- they have no say over how their books are priced, but they would lose out on royalties if the one-star reviews affect their sales.

Publishers do need to listen and move with the market... but should the authors suffer?


Just a thought...
Offline Willie Wit Reading The John Lennon Letters
09 Dec 2010, 09:52 PM | Post: #25

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This post was last modified: 09 Dec 2010 09:53 PM by Willie Wit.
Seems author Stephen Leather is bucking the trend with a 49p version of his `spider` Shepherd book `hard landing`
Heres hoping there is more to come .

http://www.amazon.co.uk...

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Offline copenhagen Reading Der nye chinesisre Saadespil
10 Dec 2010, 06:51 PM | Post: #26

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This post was last modified: 10 Dec 2010 07:06 PM by copenhagen.
Many thanks tangramman - a well-spotted post, another downloaded ! And following on from Talli Roland's comment, it might be worth adding that Stephen Leather made the following points;


"... Guys, this is huge because Hodder have always been behind the agency pricing program. But my agent and I have persuaded them to cut the price of Hard Landing to see what happens. If we can show that sales do rise when the price falls then they will have an incentive to cut the prices of more of my backlist.

If you've ever wanted to buy one of my regular thrillers but have been put off by the high prices, now's the chance to buy one for one tenth of the price of the paperback.

And it's a chance to show one of the biggest publishers in the UK that lowering prices does work!

I'm not sure how long it will be at this low price so do check that it is 49p if/when you buy.

And please post a review saying that you bought it because it was cheap. If enough people do that it'll send them a very clear message! "
Offline Willie Wit Reading The John Lennon Letters
10 Dec 2010, 11:22 PM | Post: #27

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Offline kaska Reading Song of Jikhoshi by Katie W Stewart
11 Dec 2010, 10:34 AM | Post: #28

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I agree with most thats been said here & i too think it very unfair to One star an author because of price.

I also have other views though which i may get shot down for.

Purchasing through kindle means there is no waiting for your book to arrive or getting lost in the post & no postage costs, which to me is worth the bit extra. You have that new book in your hands right now to read. Its quite brilliant.

What i would really like to see is the ability to sell your kindle purchases just like on amazons second hand book store. A system where you could advertise & wire through from one kindle to another your sale & purchase at your own set price.

This would undoubtedly bring down kindle sales, as at the moment if you want a book on kindle the only option you have is to buy it new at the price stated.
I dont know if this will ever happen but amazon are going to introduce a lending your book out system, so that will help with costs, as you get to read friends purchases for free.

Of course i would like to see cheaper kindle prices, but i purchased my kindle because i wanted to carry around with me a library which is impossible to do without a kindle. Sometimes we have to pay for that advantage & ease.

What would we all do now if the kindle was suddenly erased from our lives & became obselete & had to go back to lugging around cheaper hard backs, one at a time.
Are we forgetting the choice we have at a touch of a button where ever we are & what ever we're doing. That surely does have a small price attatched to it.

Ok, now you can shoot me down! Ha ha
Offline Willie Wit Reading The John Lennon Letters
11 Dec 2010, 05:14 PM | Post: #29

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This post was last modified: 11 Dec 2010 05:16 PM by Willie Wit.
Just been checkin` out the AMAZOO forum where it seems Stephen Leather is damned if he posts and we`re doomed if he doesnt !

Heres an interesting possible future for the kindle - lending to strangers.

http://blog.bookborrowr.com/

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11 Dec 2010, 06:26 PM | Post: #30

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[quote='tangramman' pid='6741' dateline='1292087645']
Just been checkin` out the AMAZOO forum where it seems Stephen Leather is damned if he posts and we`re doomed if he doesnt !

Heres an interesting possible future for the kindle - lending to strangers.

http://blog.bookborrowr.com/

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The bookborrowr.com sounds interesting but whats the bit about stephen leather all about?

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