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Offline cailean68 Reading The Measure of Magic by Terry Brooks
02 Nov 2010, 12:53 PM | Post: #21

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(01 Nov 2010 08:11 PM)licenced Wrote:  Just After Sunset by Stephen King - available for less than a fiver last week, now £17.99 (yep, twice the price of the hardback!)
I think this was a typo as the price on Amazon has miraculously returned to £4.49 from £17.99

I still think that the Agency system can only work if they realize that new ebooks need to be cheaper at least 20% cheaper than paperbacks.
And older ebooks comparible with the lower discounted price avaliable of paperbacks on Amazon

Otherwise with the limited rights a digital copy has compared to a real book, e.g. reselling loaning (not limited to 1 friend for 2 weeks) it's not worth buying them
Offline lwcus
05 Nov 2010, 01:09 PM | Post: #22

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I've already posted this today on the kinfinity forum, and I apologise if it's already been mentioned somewhere else here. It was mentioned on the Amazon kindle dis cussion board.
A new website has been set up at http://lostbooksales.com/ where you can post details of books you wanted to buy but were for any reason unable or unwilling. It could be because of regional restrictions, your choice of format unavailable, etc, or a pricing issue. For example I posted a message today about an Andrew Taylor book which is £5.59 in paperback or £11.99 in kindle edition.
Maybe the publishers will never take any notice, but who knows?
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Offline cailean68 Reading The Measure of Magic by Terry Brooks
07 Nov 2010, 09:47 AM | Post: #23

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I was having a look at the some older (classics) ebooks for the Kindle and I came across some old HG Wells published by Penguin Classics. I was shocked to see the price of these book (set by the publisher). Which are all avaliable for free at Project Guttenberg.

The First Men in the Moon (Penguin Classics) [Kindle Edition] £7.99
The Shape of Things to Come: The Ultimate Revolution (Penguin Classics) [Kindle Edition] £6.99
The Invisible Man (Penguin Classics) [Kindle Edition] £6.49
The Time Machine (Penguin Classics) [Kindle Edition] £6.49
And so on....

I can see why they want us to pay high for new books but for books that are supposidly out of copyright it's robbery
Offline FrenchMel Reading Darlin' Druid
07 Nov 2010, 10:22 AM | Post: #24

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I think the publishers are just shooting themselves in the foot!!

It takes guts for us writers to self-publish and thankfully with the sales of ebooks rising every month, things appear to be turning our way at last.

I've read quite a few books already by Indie authors and have yet to be disappointed, makes you wonder what the print publishers are looking for nowadays!

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07 Nov 2010, 04:20 PM | Post: #25

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Most of my reading since buying a Kindle has been Indi writers. To be honest I was surprised at how high the standard of writing is. Why I should be surprised I don’t know. I’m in no hurry to part with large amounts of money to buy a known writer when an Indi is proving to be excellent reading too.
Offline Margaret Lake Reading Matchmaker 2.0
07 Nov 2010, 05:24 PM | Post: #26

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(07 Nov 2010 04:20 PM)Jaxom Wrote:  Most of my reading since buying a Kindle has been Indi writers. To be honest I was surprised at how high the standard of writing is. Why I should be surprised I don’t know. I’m in no hurry to part with large amounts of money to buy a known writer when an Indi is proving to be excellent reading too.

A friend's cousin wasn't in anyway a well-known comedian like the big Hollywood and Vegas stars, but he worked the summer circuits in the mountain resorts every year and put on a very good show. He made about a 1/4 million dollars every year. Nothing wrong with that.

Not everyone can break into the big time, but you don't have to be big time to be good.

The high prices will have some impact on sales, but I don't think it's going to be significant.

When I bought mine over two years ago, there were only about 150K books available. The people who bought when it first came out (sold out in 5.5 hours) had even less books to choose from. It didn't stop them and it certainly didn't stop me.

For me, it was a simple choice. Yes, I wanted the gadget, but I also wanted the freedom it gave me. When I saw how many books were available free of charge or under a $, I knew I'd never run out of reading material at a bargain price. That was before the indie wave of the past year. Now the choices are even more plentiful and diverse.

Except for a few old favorites I'm replacing because they're falling apart, I haven't bought a mainstream author in months. Even those I'm replacing have to be no more than paperback price.
Historical Fiction/Romance by Margaret Lake http://www.tinyurl.com/malakeuk
Ariana's Pride
Catherine and the Captain
Listen to Your Heart
Of Love and War a novelette
Only In My Dreams a novelette
Sweet Savage Charity a novelette
Offline licenced Reading Apocalypse Troll (David Weber)
07 Nov 2010, 06:28 PM | Post: #27

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This post was last modified: 07 Nov 2010 06:29 PM by licenced.
What's everyone's current stance?

For me, I certainly won't buy a Kindle edition book that has been price-set by the publisher at a higher amount than Amazon are selling the paperback. I know that this situation is exacerbated by the deep discounting that Amazon can make on paper copies, but the price difference still smarts.

I also won't buy the paper version just because it is cheaper - I bought the Kindle so I wouldn't ever have to buy a paper fiction book again ... although it has crossed my mind whether it might be within my morals (although illegal I know) to buy a paper copy and then download the e-version for free somewhere and donate the paper book unread to the library or charity shop.

There are lots of people on the Amazon forum stating that they won't buy any price-fixed books no matter what the price. I think this is counter productive - if a book has been price-fixed to a reasonable value then I would have no qualms getting it. If lots of people do the same and avoid the high-priced books altogether then this itself sends a message to the publishers.

Just out of interest, I did a Google on 'price fixing' to try to see if the agency model is indeed illegal, or just naughty. The government website I found (http://www.businesslink.gov.uk... states:
Quote: Competition law prohibits almost any attempt to fix prices - for example, you cannot:
1) agree prices with your competitors, eg you can't agree to work from a shared minimum price list
2) share markets or limit production to raise prices, eg if two contracts are put out to tender you can't agree that you'll bid for one and let your competitor bid for the other
3) impose minimum prices on different distributors such as shops
4) agree with your competitors what purchase price you will offer your suppliers
5) cut prices below cost in order to force a smaller or weaker competitor out of the market

As far as I can tell, only point 3 is being broken here, although there may also be a case for point 1 being broken too - three major publishers all started with an agency model on the same day so there must have been an element of collusion even if they didn't discuss specific prices.

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