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Help needed - best background for "I am the Great Horse" paperback cover?

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Offline Katherine Roberts Reading I keep forgetting to update this!
18 Oct 2016, 02:04 PM | Post: #11

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RE: Help needed - best background for "I am the Great Horse" paperback cover?

Thanks, David, never too late for a controversial opinion though I think pretty much everyone agrees the mountains cover is easier to read, although not as dramatic, which is why I was a bit torn between them. I am happy with the design of the title since I feel GREAT HORSE should stand out more than the rest... sorry if you have to twist your head to read the spine.

No, Mads - I don't have rights to the original cover, but it didn't look that good in print being so dark and never really suggested Alexander the Great to me, which is partly why I changed the look for the ebook.

Good point Tim and Rosen, yes I have noticed this too - my deep green and purple backgrounds came out nearly black on the paperbacks of my Earthaven books, which makes me a bit worried about the sunset going gloomy on me in print... I suppose the answer is to order one of both and see what they look like... does anyone know if CS will supply just the covers as proofs, rather than having to order an entire book each time? (This one is over 500 pages so works out quite expensive!)
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RE: Help needed - best background for "I am the Great Horse" paperback cover?

I doubt they'd do that. I mean that would be helpful! They're not going to start that kind of thing.
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RE: Help needed - best background for "I am the Great Horse" paperback cover?

Maybe you could use just some of the pages so that it's smaller - I suppose the spine wouldn't fit but maybe crop it down or just use the front image or something?
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RE: Help needed - best background for "I am the Great Horse" paperback cover?

Great minds think alike! I did consider making two dummy books with really thin spines to trial the two covers cheaply. Trouble is, they will both have to be given ISBNs and go through the whole review thing, so I'm not sure how much simple cropping I'd get away with, and I wouldn't want the dummy books to publish anywhere. I've also considered making a single thin dummy book with the sunset cover on the front (sideways) and the blue one on the back (sideways) - but don't want to get thrown off cs! There are certain rules to follow. The good thing is the sunset cover passed their review process, so at least I know that one is technically printable.

Tim's suggestion of trying out the covers on a home printer is possibly the best option for choosing between them... and might even persuade me to get around to updating my faithful old 1990's inkjet that seems to have given up on printing colour these days.
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RE: Help needed - best background for "I am the Great Horse" paperback cover?

If you don't have a printer, you could put the files onto a memory stick and take them to one of those high street photo printing places. Make sure the files are 300 dpi, exactly as you'd send them to Createspace.
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19 Oct 2016, 01:37 PM | Post: #16

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RE: Help needed - best background for "I am the Great Horse" paperback cover?

(19 Oct 2016 01:14 PM)Tim_A Wrote: Wrote:  If you don't have a printer, you could put the files onto a memory stick and take them to one of those high street photo printing places. Make sure the files are 300 dpi, exactly as you'd send them to Createspace.
If you do this make sure you're keeping to CMYK with the correct ICC profile rather than RGB so you can mirror the colours CreateSpace will be using. You'll also want to stay on the right side of the 240% total ink coverage rule that CreateSpace use (as anything over that will be adjusted by them, and it will not match what you designed).

It also helps if you've got a higher end monitor to start with so you can accurately see as much of the colour gamut as possible. Some of the older Dell Ultrasharps (which are precalibrated) are quite affordable for that sort of graphics-intensive work.
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RE: Help needed - best background for "I am the Great Horse" paperback cover?

(19 Oct 2016 01:37 PM)Campbell Wrote: Wrote:  
(19 Oct 2016 01:14 PM)Tim_A Wrote: Wrote:  If you don't have a printer, you could put the files onto a memory stick and take them to one of those high street photo printing places. Make sure the files are 300 dpi, exactly as you'd send them to Createspace.
If you do this make sure you're keeping to CMYK with the correct ICC profile rather than RGB so you can mirror the colours CreateSpace will be using. You'll also want to stay on the right side of the 240% total ink coverage rule that CreateSpace use (as anything over that will be adjusted by them, and it will not match what you designed).

It also helps if you've got a higher end monitor to start with so you can accurately see as much of the colour gamut as possible. Some of the older Dell Ultrasharps (which are precalibrated) are quite affordable for that sort of graphics-intensive work.
This is all getting a bit too technical for me, but I understand the colours might not print quite the same at home as CS will print them (and they use different machines for US and UK anyway). I'll obviously be ordering a proof as a final check, but before that stage I just need to see both cover options in print side-by-side, so hopefully a high street printer can do that.

Interesting about the Dells - my Chromebook seems quite good on colour (better than my main monitor, though smaller). I use a combination of both to design, but I have never come across that 240% total ink coverage rule... must investigate!
Offline Katherine Roberts Reading I keep forgetting to update this!
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RE: Help needed - best background for "I am the Great Horse" paperback cover?

An update on the Great Horse cover. I decided to go with the sunset (my favourite), put it on limited sale after checking the digital proof was ok, and ordered a real 'proof' copy from amazon uk to avoid the 4 week wait for a pre-publication proof to arrive from the US.

The book arrived this morning, and I must say it looks lovely in print with the matte finish. The colours are rich and the matte finish feels classy, with no peeling problems such as I've noticed on the glossy option. Strangely, my copy seems to have been printed in Poland (!) but still arrived within a few days.

Anyway, it's not gone on sale everywhere yet because now that I've seen the real book I am not 100% happy with the way the map has printed, and I want to go through the whole thing one last time for typos (surely after 10 years I've found them all by now...?) But as far as the cover goes I'm pleasantly surprised by how good it looks, so thank you again for all your opinions and advice on this.

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