Welcome, Guest! Why not create a free forum account today and join in with the world's friendliest bunch of Kindle enthusiasts

Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
 
Offline electronic
29 Dec 2015, 06:47 PM | Post: #1

Junior Member
**

Posts: 9
Joined: Mar 2013

Thanked 0 times

Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

Caution: this article contains some gloomy speculation.
Don't read it if you are unprepared for this.

I think there is a problem that might happen.

At this present time, there is no way to prove that it will happen, but a lot of
us buy smoke detectors, burglar alarms, insurance, or other things,
just in case.

So it makes sense to me, to talk about this possibility.
(Don't worry, I believe I can fix the problem).

Here is an interesting way to explain it:

If you think the universe will keep expanding forever, you might
be right.

But what if the part of the universe we can see, is like a
subatomic particle in an atom in an infinitely larger universe?

Or what if the universe just goes on forever, stars everywhere,
with absolutely no end?

Would it really surprise you if the news came on tomorrow and
reported that they discovered a huge cluster of galaxies
farther away than anything they had seen before?
Then every week, another similar discovery, leading people
to speculate that the universe does indeed go on forever.

Or what if it doesn't?

The point is that anything is possible, even if it would
feel more comforting to block it from our minds,
and pretend that it is not possible.

This article will focus only on the problem that
results from the possibility that
the universe could be cyclic.

That is to say the expansion of the universe could stop some
day, then gravity pulls everything back to a single point.

After all the matter in the universe is at a single point,
critical mass could happen,
starting something resembling the big bang,
causing the universe to repeat.

All that hot gas would expand and cool, forming new
planets and people again.

We could be put back together exactly like we are now,
which means that we would feel the same as we do now.

We would live our life all over again.
This process could repeat for all of infinity.

Time

It seems like the next big bang is a long time from now,
but remember we have no way of experiencing the passage of time
while consciousness is off.
This means that from our point of view,
it feels like an instant then we wake up again in
the next cycle and live again.

From our point of view, we could be always conscious for all of infinity.

It gets worse

There is another possibility, and that is that
during the next cycles, we could be
put back together with a slight mutation
in our DNA that causes
us to have reduced problem solving ability.

In that case, we would still feel the same,
except we would have an enormous amount of suffering caused
by our inability to fix problems (we could starve for example).

It gets even worse

Just because something can happen, doesn't mean that it will
ever happen ever again.

Specifically, this cycle where we have skills,
might be the only time in all of infinity that
we have skills.
So for the rest of infinity, we would be suffering terribly.

It's entirely possible that this is our only chance in all
of infinity to fix the problem, and if we don't, then
every future cycle we have mutations and suffer terribly.

I don't plan to discuss how to fix it just yet, partly
because I don't expect anybody to believe the problem even exists.

But in my opinion, if there
is even a slight possibility that
this problem could happen, then it would be
grossly irresponsible to ignore it.

I am extremely curious to know what you think
of all this.

If you prefer not to comment publicly, then please feel free
to send me a private message.

Thank you, and sorry for the gloomy speculation, I am sure
everything will turn out good.  I have a good feeling about the future.
Offline Rosen Trevithick Reading
29 Dec 2015, 11:27 PM | Post: #2

Totally Splendid Hotshot Author
********

Posts: 5,202
Joined: Oct 2011

Thanked 278 times

What I Read

RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

I'm a bit confused about the focus of this post. Please can you pinpoint the areas I need to worry about, so I can schedule some time to contemplate them?

My OH has a degree in philosophy and theology from Oxford, so this post has really piqued my interest.
[Image: 51we%2BNvX2aL._SL95.jpg]  [Image: 51dlN%2BeBifL._SL95.jpg]  [Image: 51Y3bTpE8eL._SL95.jpg]  [Image: 51gmgMPfnBL._SL95.jpg]  [Image: 51qdNKyGE9L._SL95.jpg]  [Image: 61TE0dQyxjL._SL95.jpg]   [Image: 51Fbvd7KyWL._SL95.jpg]  [Image: 51YepJnT-dL._SL95.jpg]
Offline George Hamilton
30 Dec 2015, 07:06 AM | Post: #3

Master of Verbosity
*******

Posts: 1,174
Joined: Dec 2010

Thanked 108 times

What I Read

RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

(29 Dec 2015 06:47 PM)electronic Wrote: Wrote:  Caution: this article contains some gloomy speculation.
Don't read it if you are unprepared for this.

I think there is a problem that might happen.

"We could be put back together exactly like we are now,
which means that we would feel the same as we do now.

We would live our life all over again.
This process could repeat for all of infinity."

I had planned on re-emerging on a different planet which had the advantages of warp drive, so that I could do more travelling through the universe, so turning up on a pre-warp earth could be a tad disappointing. 

But then again, if I get to eat cheesecake over and over again for eternity, life after life may not be all bad.
Offline Mads Sorensen Reading A Quiet Life by Natasha Walter
30 Dec 2015, 09:53 AM | Post: #4

Author
*******

Posts: 1,372
Joined: Feb 2012

Thanked 176 times

What I Read

RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

The only thing we know for absolute certain is that we haven't got a clue how the whole thing is sown together, and never will have. Our brains are far too small for that.
[Image: 41rhkIGNKiL._SL95.jpg]   [Image: 51mqDt327EL._SL95.jpg]    [Image: 51c7sKtKbeL._SL95.jpg]
Offline TechnoHippy Reading One book at a time
30 Dec 2015, 10:21 AM | Post: #5

Fountain of Wisdom
********

Posts: 3,848
Joined: Jul 2012

Thanked 381 times

What I Read

RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

It's like chilling out as a youngster again :-)
[Image: 51AbUjlZ-IL._SL95.jpg]  [Image: 51V1cDLzQ2L._SL95.jpg] [Image: 51RN9BYSNjL._SL95.jpg] [Image: 51UMThYt5zL._SL95.jpg]
Offline Matt5ki Reading
30 Dec 2015, 10:22 AM | Post: #6

New to this sort of thing
*******

Posts: 1,439
Joined: Sep 2013

Thanked 111 times

What I Read

RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

We're all doooooomed
Out Now!
[Image: 51FxumiGWGL._SL95.jpg]
The Bumpkinton Tales: Volume One, in paperback and on Kindle.

Offline Kath Middleton Reading Hell, yes!
30 Dec 2015, 10:56 AM | Post: #7

Book Obsessive
********

Posts: 5,907
Joined: Feb 2013

Thanked 703 times

What I Read

RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

There's a huge amount of 'might' and 'could' in this. The older I get, the more I realise that the human lifespan is minute. It won't make any difference to me.
[Image: 51-o4ONEe4L._SL95.jpg][Image: 51ex7iwZKuL._SL95.jpg][Image: 51ZbDrktmuL._SL95.jpg][Image: 51F7dWY8IKL._SL95.jpg]
Offline Scribbler Reading TBR list - I hate you!
30 Dec 2015, 01:55 PM | Post: #8

I'm not really a duck
********

Posts: 4,696
Joined: Apr 2012

Thanked 699 times

What I Read

RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

I doubt anybody on the forum will still be alive to find out, apart from young Jonathan, the problem will be his and his alone. Undecided
Scribbler's scribblings:
 Amazon Author Page



Offline Jan Hurst-Nicholson Reading Haven't got a Kindle. A big pile of books.
30 Dec 2015, 06:15 PM | Post: #9

Master of Verbosity
*******

Posts: 1,512
Joined: Jan 2011

Thanked 68 times

What I Read

RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

We are spiritual beings having a bodily experience.
[Image: 51Jsj8BKT7L._SL95.jpg][Image: 61n%2BNqMHfRL._SL95.jpg][Image: 51tQNACHaQL._SL95.jpg][Image: 61YRPOlI-aL._SL95.jpg][Image: 516yhJDUG%2BL._SL95.jpg][Image: 615coUqLeML._SL95.jpg][Image: 51Ygt0kwwXL._SL95.jpg]
[Image: 616JvN8uAQL._SL95.jpg]
Offline electronic
31 Dec 2015, 02:21 AM | Post: #10

Junior Member
**

Posts: 9
Joined: Mar 2013

Thanked 0 times

RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

(29 Dec 2015 11:27 PM)Rosen Trevithick Wrote: Wrote:  I'm a bit confused about the focus of this post. Please can you pinpoint the areas I need to worry about, so I can schedule some time to contemplate them?

My OH has a degree in philosophy and theology from Oxford, so this post has really piqued my interest.

In my opinion, this could very well be real, and the possibility of eternal suffering would be the biggest worry.  Most people have never experienced much suffering, so they don't realize what it would be like.

But another area of concern is that we could be missing the joys of life in all the future cycles.  I have experienced a lot of pleasure and a lot of suffering, which I believe has left me a bit more sensitive to all the future possibilities.

Currently Reading: Last Book I Read: Favourite Genres:Comedy; Crime, thrillers and mysteryFavourite eBooks:
See my recommendations
Favourite eBooks:
See my recommendations
Currently Reading:A Quiet Life by Natasha Walter Last Book I Read: Favourite Genres:Pretty much anything, apart from RomanceFavourite eBooks:
See my recommendations
Currently Reading:One book at a time Last Book I Read: Favourite Genres:Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Horror Favourite eBooks:
See my recommendations
Currently Reading: Last Book I Read: Favourite Genres:HumourFavourite eBooks:
See my recommendations
Currently Reading:Hell, yes! Last Book I Read: Favourite Genres:Fantasy, crime, thriller, horror, a touch of sci-fiFavourite eBooks:
See my recommendations
Currently Reading:TBR list - I hate you! Last Book I Read:Maureen Goes to Venice by Jonathan Hill Favourite Genres:Anything with biker chicks... and unicorns.
Currently Reading:Haven't got a Kindle. A big pile of books. Last Book I Read:Fiennders Abbey by Jean Marsh Favourite Genres:family saga, mystery, humour