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Offline Matt5ki Reading
31 Dec 2015, 11:40 AM | Post: #11

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RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

(31 Dec 2015 02:21 AM)electronic Wrote: Wrote:  
(29 Dec 2015 11:27 PM)Rosen Trevithick Wrote: Wrote:  I'm a bit confused about the focus of this post. Please can you pinpoint the areas I need to worry about, so I can schedule some time to contemplate them?

My OH has a degree in philosophy and theology from Oxford, so this post has really piqued my interest.

In my opinion, this could very well be real, and the possibility of eternal suffering would be the biggest worry.  Most people have never experienced much suffering, so they don't realize what it would be like.

But another area of concern is that we could be missing the joys of life in all the future cycles.  I have experienced a lot of pleasure and a lot of suffering, which I believe has left me a bit more sensitive to all the future possibilities.
So I should worry about suffering in the next life even though there's not even 1% proof that this may even happen?
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31 Dec 2015, 11:47 AM | Post: #12

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RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

I'm not a great believer in the efficacy of worrying.
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Offline Mads Sorensen Reading A Quiet Life by Natasha Walter
31 Dec 2015, 01:05 PM | Post: #13

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RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

The perfect gift for the man who has nothing to worry about.
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01 Jan 2016, 04:27 AM | Post: #14

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Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

I believe I know how to stop the expansion of the universe.

We could turn the universe into an excellent place where
everyone and their descendents could go on space travel, and have a great life.

Expansion of the universe can only be stopped if the universe is finite.

But if it's infinite, then the whole thing probably isn't expanding,
only the local area we can see.
So if the universe is infinite, then it probably isn't cyclic.

Informal poll:
Is there any possibility, even a very small possibility, that
the universe could be cyclic?
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01 Jan 2016, 11:38 AM | Post: #15

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RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

Please send an email to rosen.trevithick@gmail.com. I wish to say something to you that you might not want posted.
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RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

I could spend some of whatever time I have left in the universe's current incarnation worrying about what might happen in the next. Or, alternatively, I could do something relatively useful such as walking the dog or even picking up the threads of my next novel, abandoned since before Christmas. I think I know which of those I will choose.
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02 Jan 2016, 10:42 AM | Post: #17

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RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

If we want something to worry about, maybe we should be concerned about more pressing issues, such as global warming, terrorism and which font to choose for the next book cover.
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03 Jan 2016, 02:34 PM | Post: #18

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RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

Personally, I worry about more esoteric things such as how do vampires shave and where do flies go in the winter.
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03 Jan 2016, 03:18 PM | Post: #19

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RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

(01 Jan 2016 04:27 AM)electronic Wrote: Wrote:  I believe I know how to stop the expansion of the universe.

We could turn the universe into an excellent place where
everyone and their descendents could go on space travel, and have a great life.

Expansion of the universe can only be stopped if the universe is finite.

But if it's infinite, then the whole thing probably isn't expanding,
only the local area we can see.
So if the universe is infinite, then it probably isn't cyclic.

Informal poll:
Is there any possibility, even a very small possibility, that
the universe could be cyclic?
I'm not sure how you reach the conclusion that making the universe finite changes a state of expansion or how you would change such a thing. To do so you would need to curve spacetime in on itself for the whole universe and to do that you would need an injection of an incredible amount of mass, more than what is in the universe. Of course what we understand as the universe is only a part of it and the idea of a multiverse isn't new - although I personally think you don't need it to explain some of the observed wierdness in quantum mechanics - sideways time could do the same thing.

A cyclical universe is a common theme too and does fit with various notions we have of circular patterns, especially in living things - just out of interest why does it matter? If a universe is reborn then it seems unlikely that any information from the previous instance would survive a singularity transition into the new instance.

It does raise the question of how it could be cyclical, how would the universe end and give birth to another without some sort of big crunch event.

Cyclical or not the universe dies, either by a big crunch or through entropy - what difference does that make to us? (A genuine question)
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03 Jan 2016, 03:33 PM | Post: #20

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RE: Is this going to be a problem for all of us?

(03 Jan 2016 02:34 PM)Ken Magee Wrote: Wrote:  Personally, I worry about more esoteric things such as how do vampires shave and where do flies go in the winter.
I can set your mind at rest over the question of the flies, Ken. A large proportion of them come and nestle warmly and, apparently, breed, within the layers of the walls of my wooden house. My house is like that built by the little pig (of sticks) and the gaps in the walls are home to a number or critters as well as the flies. On a warm day the white shiplap of the outer walls will suddenly be covered by little tiny flies. Opening a window in the attic room over the winter months will invite a crowd in (dead and alive). Something similar happens with ladybirds.

I'm afraid I have no answers to any of the more profound questions.
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