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Offline Tim_A Reading strictly murder by Lynda Wilcox
23 Sep 2014, 09:26 PM | Post: #11

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RE: David Mitchell blasts Amazon in The Guardian

(23 Sep 2014 04:15 PM)cecilia_writer Wrote: Wrote:  The people who have commented aren't much better. One of them even claims a voracious reader wouldn't need more than one book a week!!! Ha! They obviously don't know the same definition as I do of 'voracious'. (One book a day isn't always enough.)
I read a book a week, quite often two, and I don't regard myself as either a fast reader or a voracious one.
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Offline ElaineG Reading Standers by Dale Brumfield
24 Sep 2014, 05:47 AM | Post: #12

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This post was last modified: 24 Sep 2014 05:48 AM by ElaineG.
He shouldnt bite the hand that feeds! His book sold quite well on Amazon, admittedly because it was discounted and was "visible" to casual browsers. How many people, in reality, would go into a bookshop or supermarket shelf thinking "I must buy that David Mitchell book" - it is a lot easier seeing it on Amazon's website at 99p and thinking "oh that's that bloke off Would I Lie To You, I will give him a go at that price".

BTW, I didn't give him a go at that price - I am a Lee Mack chick.
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04 Oct 2014, 11:52 AM | Post: #13

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(23 Sep 2014 02:18 PM)Ray Kingfisher Wrote: Wrote:  I’d generally agree with JonC, but, as Amazon rightly keep saying, they pay all the tax they are legally obliged to and no more. I support that attitude because it’s exactly what I do and everyone I know does. If they pay VAT on uk sales to Luxembourg blame the EU, don’t blame Amazon, their first duty is to their shareholders, as it should be. And to satisfy their shareholders they need to satisfy customers and employees. That whole churning of money round the system creates wealth which benefits us all. Tax stifles it.

And I don't get the 'benefits scrounger' bit. Who do they scrounge from? Does the government give them money for doing nothing?

But the monopoly of Amazon over ebooks is a worry in the long term. Look at what’s happened to Microsoft: huge profits, an overpaid workforce, and everything they produce is ridiculously expensive and doesn’t work properly. I don't think we're anywhere near that situation with Amazon yet.
Absolutely. Amazon is in business to make money, like all other businesses. It complies with the law, and if people don't like it, blame the deficiencies of the law that allow them to do that.
I'm also sick of people like Mitchell whining on about how Amazon has a monopoly as if they somehow did that themselves rather than by the route of customers choosing to take their business to Amazon rather than elsewhere. Amazon have a monopoly because they can supply people with what they want to buy better than so many other retailers. Example: I go into HMV to buy a CD. "Sorry, we don't have it in stock. We can order it for you". Same thing trying to buy a book in Waterstones. Same thing trying to buy a Blu -ray player in Curry's. I actually prefer to buy things physically in shops, but I cannot count the multitude of times I've tried to buy something but can't. Amazon rarely has that problem. Well, why Amazon and not another online retailer? Let's see, I want to buy a camera lens from this website... oh, I have to "register" first and fill in a shedload of boxes. Nah, I'll just go to Amazon where I don't have to do that and where I know their returns policy works well in the event of getting a duff item.
The fact is Amazon are moving towards a monopoly simply because they are better at supplying what people want to buy better than almost anyone else.
I also think your comment about Microsoft is merely parroting the "it's cool to hate Microsoft" mantra. Microsoft have produced some bad items but they have also produced some of the best pieces of software in their fields that have become worldwide standards and work really, really well. Unlike Apple, Microsoft produce operating software for computers that are running in ten thousand Frankenstein configurations, with different graphics cards, chips, sound cards, and every other component from hundreds of different manufacturers. Apple never have to do that - their computers are stamped out of a mould. Not everything Microsoft produces is ridiculously expensive and lots of it works just fine.
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RE: David Mitchell blasts Amazon in The Guardian

Just wait until some bright spark at Amazon finally wakes up to the idea of extending the KDP services to provide proofreading and editing services to authors, and even basic packages that provide actual 'marketing' benefits. Then you'll truly see a shake up in the market.

Can't wait to see all those snobby publishers sweating... hmmm, I never realised i had such an anarchist streak in me, that's somewhat troubling Smile
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Looks like all is not well @ Amazon...even reading through the slant, 3 execs leaving in a month spells seriously bad news for any corporation...
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RE: David Mitchell blasts Amazon in The Guardian

This post was last modified: 05 Oct 2014 03:31 PM by ElaineG.
(04 Oct 2014 11:52 AM)Simon_P Wrote: Wrote:  Absolutely. Amazon is in business to make money, like all other businesses. It complies with the law, and if people don't like it, blame the deficiencies of the law that allow them to do that.
I'm also sick of people like Mitchell whining on about how Amazon has a monopoly as if they somehow did that themselves rather than by the route of customers choosing to take their business to Amazon rather than elsewhere. Amazon have a monopoly because they can supply people with what they want to buy better than so many other retailers. Example: I go into HMV to buy a CD. "Sorry, we don't have it in stock. We can order it for you". Same thing trying to buy a book in Waterstones. Same thing trying to buy a Blu -ray player in Curry's. I actually prefer to buy things physically in shops, but I cannot count the multitude of times I've tried to buy something but can't. Amazon rarely has that problem. Well, why Amazon and not another online retailer? Let's see, I want to buy a camera lens from this website... oh, I have to "register" first and fill in a shedload of boxes. Nah, I'll just go to Amazon where I don't have to do that and where I know their returns policy works well in the event of getting a duff item.
The fact is Amazon are moving towards a monopoly simply because they are better at supplying what people want to buy better than almost anyone else.
I also think your comment about Microsoft is merely parroting the "it's cool to hate Microsoft" mantra. Microsoft have produced some bad items but they have also produced some of the best pieces of software in their fields that have become worldwide standards and work really, really well. Unlike Apple, Microsoft produce operating software for computers that are running in ten thousand Frankenstein configurations, with different graphics cards, chips, sound cards, and every other component from hundreds of different manufacturers. Apple never have to do that - their computers are stamped out of a mould. Not everything Microsoft produces is ridiculously expensive and lots of it works just fine.


On Friday I went into W H SMith for a DVD, was told no, they didnt have it but I could order it on their website and have it delvered to the store - well, I could order it online and have it delivered to my home - why would I make a second trip?

I then went into our comic shop with a list of six items for the boys for christmas - all Walking Dead/Big Bang Theory/Bleach related - they had none of it in stock so when I got back to work I ordered it all from Amazon in five minutes with free delivery - and cheaper than it would have been in the shop anyway. OK so I probably only saved £1 on each item, but it is still a saving, although I had made the effort to actually go in and try and support a local retailer, so it did miff me a bit that they didnt have anything!

Plus, I can go on to Amazon and in just a few clicks buy a t shirt, new dogs bed, DVD and hosepipe all at the same time from the same supplier!
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RE: David Mitchell blasts Amazon in The Guardian

Elaine, this is the kind of thing that makes me go back to Amazon again and again too. I even tried buying a Kindle PW at Waterstone's just to give them the chance, and it was a tortuous experience involving ordering online, going into the store, finding they had no record of my order, waiting while they tried to find one in the basement... Tesco's click and collect people completely failed when they sent me an email just before I was due to collect something to say it wasn't available (which wasn't true as I found out later) - on that occasion I cancelled with them and went straight on to the Amazon website for it.

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