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Offline TresaC Reading Submissions! A N Other
24 Jan 2013, 10:53 AM | Post: #1

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Fact to Fiction. Book Buyers Sue!

Here is an interesting thought, two Canadian book buyers are planning to sue Lance Armstrong and his publishers saying his autobiographical books are actually now proven to be works of fiction!

Many authors use historical settings, real places etc in their novels, and embellish them for the sake of the story, are we going to get cases where a reader sues because the author's description has been adapted for the story and is not 100% accurate. (Oh I hope not, what a way to destroy great fiction.)

Do readers have the right to expect that everything in an autobiography is 100% correct? An author once told me that he couldn't describe certain people in his autobiography as they actually were because the reality was they were so awful the reader would end up hating them!

I'd love to know what others think and if any one that has read the Lance Armstrong books - how has your reaction to the books changed? If it indeed has at all.
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24 Jan 2013, 11:23 AM | Post: #2

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This post was last modified: 24 Jan 2013 11:24 AM by LindaGruchy.
To my mind, an autobiography should be 100% factual, or marked as "faction".

There's a difference between fiction and lies.

In fiction some license is allowed, provided the reader knows it's fiction. Even so, I have made it clear in my preamble that my landscapes in Essex where the action takes place are largely invented. Otherwise I might end up upsetting people who lived in the towns. And in Gladiatrix I did historical notes at the back to tell the reader where I had taken liberties.
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24 Jan 2013, 11:25 AM | Post: #3

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RE: Fact to Fiction. Book Buyers Sue!

I would have thought this was a simple matter of consumer law. Any book marketed as fiction tells the buyer that some or all of it is made up - so you know what you're getting. Any book marketed as autobiographical or factual tells the buyer this is a genuine account of real events.

So if the factual book turns out not to be real, then the product is not 'as described' - and thus breaches consumer law. I can well imagine there might be a case to sue. (My legal qualifications were won on a hoopla stall at a funfair, so I know what I'm talking about, all right?!)

I think fiction writers can rest easy. We have licence to lie, because we're telling the truth - that it's a lie! (Ow, my head.)
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24 Jan 2013, 12:47 PM | Post: #4

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RE: Fact to Fiction. Book Buyers Sue!

I have them and read them all (yes, I feel betrayed and suckered) and am now considering moving them from amongst my biogs to the fiction shelves. Or possibly to the charity shop. Or perhaps a public burning on the Col du Tourmalet in July?

In Its Not About the Bike he talks of a press conference in St Gaudens where he said "I can emphatically say I am not on drugs...there's nothing to find. ...they're dealing with a clean guy." P251

Not so factual, indeed clearly fiction. He set out to tell us the facts but in fact told lies, so yes not as described and not fit for purpose!
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(24 Jan 2013 12:47 PM)Louise Warman Wrote:  I have them and read them all (yes, I feel betrayed and suckered) and am now considering moving them from amongst my biogs to the fiction shelves. Or possibly to the charity shop. Or perhaps a public burning on the Col du Tourmalet in July?

In Its Not About the Bike he talks of a press conference in St Gaudens where he said "I can emphatically say I am not on drugs...there's nothing to find. ...they're dealing with a clean guy." P251

Not so factual, indeed clearly fiction. He set out to tell us the facts but in fact told lies, so yes not as described and not fit for purpose!

I think many readers will be like you, Louise. Apparently a student in an Australian library put a notice in the biog section saying that the books have been 'moved to fiction section.'

Personally I like the fact that fiction takes real places and uses them and love it when an author adds historical or other notes.

I agree Linda, fiction and lies are two very different things.
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24 Jan 2013, 04:24 PM | Post: #6

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RE: Fact to Fiction. Book Buyers Sue!

It's Not About The Bike, was on my to read list until a few months ago. I'm gald I never bothered. In terms of writing an autobiography I'm not surprised if an author's recollection of events dosen't tally with other peoples. Very often, if you ask two eye witnesses to describe an event just after it happend you will get two different versions. Add a good period of time into the mix and it isn't any wonder that facts turn into fiction.
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It is a good read, George.

Just take it with a large pinch of EPO
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RE: Fact to Fiction. Book Buyers Sue!

Perhaps the publishers should do what Milli Vanilli's record label did - and offer a refund on them Tongue
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RE: Fact to Fiction. Book Buyers Sue!

(24 Jan 2013 04:28 PM)ElaineG Wrote:  Perhaps the publishers should do what Milli Vanilli's record label did - and offer a refund on them Tongue

Well it amounts to the same doesn't it Elaine? (All the young people are thinking 'Who/what is Milli Vanilli?') Wink

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